178 — Bergit Coady Kabel: “Groomed to Perfection” | Pure Dog Talk
A Legend in the Terrier Ring
The 2012 Winkie Award for Best Professional Handler, said it best: “A legend in the Terrier ring, Bergit Coady Kabel’s dogs are always groomed to perfection and flawlessly presented. Always polite and professional, she is totally dedicated to her dogs.”
Hard Work and Dedication
Bergit was someone I admired from afar for my entire handling career. I didn’t get to see her often, as our paths rarely crossed in the particular shows we attended. Every time I saw her, I was impressed by her immaculate charges and her unfailing smile.
I talk with a lot of folks for the podcast who have achieved the highest levels of success in purebred dogs. And I consistently hear the same themes. Hard work. Dedication. And an unquenchable thirst for knowledge. Bergit is a leading voice in the chorus.
Responsibility Gave Joy
Bergit tells the story in today’s podcast about being 13 years old and excited beyond words to have been taught by her earliest mentor how “to clean teeth, bathe dogs, express anal glands, and clean ears. … and the happiest kid you could have found.”
Let that sink in for a minute. Here is a kid who was *thrilled* to do anal glands because “Finally I knew a few things to do with dogs.”
Many successful handlers apprenticed for Bergit over the years. “A few assistants that wanted to do this by the clock, needless to say, did not work out,” she noted.
After a recent illness, Bergit is recovered and ready to take on judging with that same focus and intensity.
Focusing on Judging
“After 50 successful years of handling, I feel I can try to give back a little to a sport that has given me so much,” Bergit said. “I know judging will present different challenges and I will educate myself every step of the way. Will I like it better than handling? Never. I loved every minute of my handling career.
“…my son Ryan said to me. He is fully aware of my love for handling. He said, ‘You know, you are very lucky that you can go into judging. There’s a whole big world and big dog family. So you can see your friends again.’ He does mortgages and he said, ‘When I’m done there is no mortgage family waiting for me.’”
Bergit’s concrete advice on reaching the pinnacle of perfection in trimming dogs is invaluable. And we start a new feature on the show “All Time Favorites Best in Show Lineup.” Listen now to hear which dogs she would have in that ring and who would win!
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FULL TRANSCRIPT BERGIT COADY KABEL
Pure Dog Talk is the voice of purebred dogs. We talk to the legends of the sport and give you the tips and tools to create an awesome life with your purebred dog. From showing to preservation breeding, from competitive obedience to field work, from agility to therapy dogs and all the fun in between – your passion is our purpose!
LAURA REEVES: Welcome to Pure Dog Talk. I am your host, Laura Reeves, and I am joined by a member of our sport who I have long had mad respect for. And I think she just brings such incredible knowledge to the game of purebred dogs, and so I would like to welcome Bergit Coady Kabel to our conversation because I think you guys are going to really, really enjoy this one. So thank you Bergit how are you today?
BERGIT COADY KABEL: Really good thank you. Very Good.
LR: Excellent. So we have a thing here on Pure Dog Talk that we ask our guests to give us the 4-1-1. The who/what/when/where/why/how. How did you get started and how did you get involved in dogs? You’ve been at this for a lifetime now, right?
BCK: Yes definitely yes. I will have to tell you how it all started. When I was five years old my family moved from southern Germany to downtown Hamburg. Soon after that my earliest recollection is this and a bit old neighbor girl was able to walk a Wire Fox Terrier for friends. One day she let me hold the leash. I was so thrilled and could not wait to tell my mom. You would have thought I won a box of toys!
BCK: I’ve always been crazy about dogs. Maybe got the gene from my grandmother. She loved animals. A few blocks away from where we lived in Hamburg was a grooming shop owned and operated by Mr. and Mrs. Buckholdt who were excellent dog people and also show people. They owned a Mini and a Toy Poodle, an Irish Terrier and a Scottish Terrier. For a long time, I was forever trying to figure out how I could get to know them. Remember I was only a young kid then <LR: Right.> And the dog world was not like it is today. My break came came when the Buckholdt’s daughter, who was in the same class as my younger brother, came into the class room and asked for her parents – they were looking for a babysitter for her 2 year old sister. Bingo! I was in! <laughter> <LR: Love that!> I babysat and every minute after my job was done, I was spending time with the dogs. I was a dog walker at first and I kept telling the Buckholdt’s to please teach me grooming. I was fascinated by what all the employees could create. So after a while Mr Buckholdt decided he had to do something with me since I was always around. The first things he taught me was – this is no kidding – to clean teeth, bathe dogs, express anal glands, and clean ears.
LR: And you you were how old, Bergit?
BCK: I was 13 at the time <LR: Perfect> and the happiest kid you could have found. <laughter LR: Give me some anal glands!> Finally I knew a few things to do with dogs
BCK: At that point, they also started to take me to some dog shows. You know later on in life, much later on in life, I kept thinking back to this and I was thinking maybe Mr Buckholdt thought, “You know if I let her do all of these things, we’ll get rid of her.” <LR: Probably!> But it didn’t happen. <LR: Awesome> By the time I left school I agreed to a three year apprenticeship with the Buckholdts. My parents were devastated. My mother’s dream was for me to be a super secretary like she was, but sitting still has never been easy for me. So at this point the Buckholdts did not really need a fourth girl. The three they had were excellent. So they asked if I would like to go to England to work in a well known Scottish Terrier kennel, Reanda, for Mrs. Elizabeth Meyer. They took me with them to Crufts and we were introduced. I looked at all the Scotties like many people would do, and said, “How do you know which one is which one?” So this was the basic beginning to my fabulous life into dogs.
LR: I love that.
BCK: I spent two years in the UK and then one year at the Buckholdt’s grooming shop. They agreed to the second year if I agreed to no time or days off for that year.
LR: Oh my gosh!
BCK: That was fine. I didn’t care. <laughter> So basically my most important mentors besides the Buckholdts was Mrs. Meyer of Reanda fame. To this day I refer to something I was taught by her daily and we don’t even own our kennel anymore. There are two most important elements that I live by Mrs. Meyers said, “Number one, you have to be able to take care of yourself first before you can take care of someone else or something else. Second when taking care of dogs, you yourself have to know what goes into a dog and what comes out of the dog. You have to look at each one every day.” From her I learned how to put down a Scottish terrier and once a month she insisted to drive me to a well-known Westie breeder who taught me how to trim Westies. I would spend all day at her place.
BCK: Now comes the question of how did you come to the United States?
BCK: Well, spending two years at the Reanda Kennel in England, I met many American Scottish Terrier breeders that came to visit the kennel. One day Betty Malinka, breeder of Sandoone Scottish Terriers, visited and asked if I would like to come for one year to work for her in Gary Indiana. I agreed and the rest is history. <LR: Wow.> This year, March 12, was my fiftieth anniversary of arriving at Chicago O’Hare.
LR: That is pretty amazing Bergit. I’m sorry that kind of made me a little choked up a minute.
BCK: Yeah. Yeah. That’s amazing. Working for Betty was fun. She took me to a lot of shows and also I met a lot of people and that’s how I met Clay Coady. We started with our limited experience but taught ourselves a lot by watching top handlers at the time. Yes, we were fortunate to have some great dog people apprentice under us, and we are still very proud of them. Again, trimming you can teach, conditioning as well, but you have to have a certain feeling for dogs. A few assistants that wanted to do this by the clock, needless to say did not work out. <LR: No.> We always started from scratch. If a dog needed a new coat it was stripped down, and 10 to 12 weeks later you started to show it. It takes that long on any stripped breed to get the coat into show length. In the meantime, you would take care of furnishings and everything else on the dog – exercise and fresh air are of great importance. And having had a super kennel with 58 runs in Southern California, for 40 years, was more than ideal. We also had a set of runs where you could get a profile view of the dog from the dog kitchen, and that was enlightening and very useful. All of the above, we brought to the attention of all of our assistants.
BCK: Your question about habits to condition and groom a dog is difficult to answer. A dog has to feel you like him. That’s the start of everything. Then you start by putting him on the table every day, often just for a little while. Because once the dog is stripped you have four to six weeks before you do what we call a de-fuzz, which is the same as a clean up. But furnishings need to be washed every two to three days and blow dried. Now the dog gets used to your hands and where you put them. Be consistent in making the same movements. Always be peaceful. Don’t do any of this if you need to rush. By the time you need to put a final show trim on the dog, he should be able to stand on the table perfectly relaxed and display confidence. Anyone with love for dogs can do this. Owner-handlers or handlers. This secret ingredient, as you call it, to a perfectly trimmed dog, is looking at it as many times as it takes, on the ground. After you finished trimming it, in front of a mirror. Of course on the table. Then on the ground someone has to walk the dog for you so that you can see him in profile as well as up and down. Whatever you need to correct then you correct it. But you can never take the dog off the table – even though it looks perfect – and think that that’s how it’s going to look. Because once the dog shakes or moves differently you can have a completely different picture.
BCK: So this is of course more work. And a lot of people’s excuses, they don’t have somebody that can walk the dog. But you can always, if you get to the dog show early, find somebody that would do it for you. And even if they don’t walk it correctly or perfectly like you would, you can still see certain things. The other thing that a lot of people don’t do is take a dog for regular walk. I don’t mean at a dog show. I mean just down the street to look and hear and see strange things. Always talk to your dog and pet them in between. You will bond nicely. You have to have good work ethics, a lot of self-discipline, and most of all a passion for this whole dog show scene in order to make it work.
LR: I would agree with that.
BCK: After all, then you asked me about judging.
LR: Yes! This is a new journey that you’re taking on, right? Just getting started, yes?
BCK: After 50 successful years of handling, I feel a can I try give back a little to a sport that has given me so much. I know judging will present different challenges and I will educate myself every step of the way. Will I like it better than handling? Never. I loved every minute of my handling career. To end this interview. I would love to tell you what my son Ryan said to me. He is fully aware of my love for handling. He said, “You know, you are very lucky that you can go into judging. There’s a whole big world and big dog family. Most of all you know each other. So you can see your friends again.” <LR: Right.> He does mortgages and he said, “When I’m done there is no mortgage family waiting for me.” <LR: I love that.> Isn’t that the truth?
LR: That’s totally the truth, Bergit.
BKC: It’s totally the truth.
LR: You know I just got done interviewing Lorraine Boutwell for example. And she talks a lot – and a lot of the people I talk to about this – they started in dogs either as breeders or as breeders and then handlers or what have you, and continue judging. And I think so much of it is because this is your family, right?
BCK: This is your family. Right. Right. I mean you have no idea. I mean when I got sick, I mean I still have all the cards and all the stuff and I mean it was incredible. You know I was just truly overjoyed. And you know everybody that sees me at a dog show now goes crazy and is happy for me <LR: Like I did!> <laughter> You know I’ve always tried to help everybody. You know I have never, ever even – because people tend to dislike you when you win a lot – but you know that’s never affected me. You know, I’ve always given credit to where credit is due. And you know I think people remember that. You know.
LR: I think so too. So two more things. Your best advice. People that are getting started. We have lots of people who listen to this podcast who are less than five years, for example, with pure bred dogs. What is your best advice for these folks when they’re getting started showing their dog, grooming their dog, whatever it is.
BCK: Definitely to get the best rapport going with your dog. That means you take the dog for a walk just as a pet. Pet it, you talk to it. You make sure it learns to stand on the table perfectly still so that you can groom it. Whatever dog it is in order to groom it, you can’t be fighting with it. You can’t be every time making excuses for it or all these things. But if a dog knows that you want this from him, you give him so much, to my mind the dog can also give something back to you. And they’ll figure it out. I mean doesn’t matter, would we dealt with many different breeds, you know.
BCK: So you have to be patient, and then when you need help you try and get help from a handler. Or if you watch somebody at a dog show that you think could give you ideas, you approach that person at the end of the day or when there’s a break – obviously not while they’re showing a dog. You know, most people will help you. <LR: Yeah, yeah, they will> You know, and that’s how you really keep going. And if you run into somebody that won’t help you, don’t be discouraged and go to the next person that you think could do it for you.
LR: Yeah. And I think that that’s so true and one of the things that has kept me going. I mean every time I handle a new breed, I go ask – you know I mean, that’s just a thing. And I think that if you just are willing to ask people are always willing to help. Somebody will help you.
BCK: Yeah I mean look at it – a few years ago somebody offered us a Kommondor. I had finished two Wheatens for them in 1987. They said to me, “Do you want to show a Kommondor?” And I said said yes. I said, “I don’t know much about them – most people don’t.” But I said, “Bill McFadden knows and I’ve seen him show one,” and I said, “I will talk to him and I will get all the information and I will do everything he tells me.” So I got it finished. And of course you have to be friends with people in this breed because there are so few of them that you have to know when there will be a major, you know, and we got it done.
BCK: But it was very interesting. You know, I mean it was great to do a different breed like that.
LR: It is. It is. Some of the things that – you know, I did a Briard. I mean completely outside my comfort zone, you know <BCK: Great, great, great.> It was great fun – I really enjoyed it because you get that chance, right, to learn something new.
BCK: Yeah, yeah. And the same with the Black Russian. I got a Black Russian finished. And also with the help – this is when they kind of first started – you know, also with the help of key people and you know I’ve never forgotten the people that have helped me. You know they get a Christmas card every year. <laughter> I’m a great Christmas card writer – I’m sorry I like to do that! But you know you have to do these things, you know.
LR: Yes absolutely. Okay so then … listeners you guys are going to love this. We’re going to add this is as a new feature for all of the interviews that we do with some of our great legends of the sport. And Bergit gets to be our test case. So Bergit, <BCK: Yes?> Now, you have 50 years in the sport in the United States. So I’m asking you, in your mind – and this is a game we play as handlers, right, I’ve always done this – in your mind, the greatest Best In Show lineup of all time of dogs that you have personally seen. Ready – go!
BCK: Okay. Yeah, I would say for the Hound Group, Pepsi the Afghan Hound. <LR: Yes.> For the Herding Group, Manhattan the German Shepherd. <LR: Yes.>
BCK: Non-Sporting would definitely be London, Standard Poodle – Black Standard Poodle. <LR: Yeah> Terrier, Coco the Norfolk.
LR: Wow, that says a huge lot coming from you, wow!
BCK: Oh yeah. Yeah. Working, and that would probably be my Best In Show right there – Matisse, The Portuguese Water Dog.
LR: Okay wow.
BCK: Toy, John Oulton’s Papillon, Kirby <LR: Yes! Beautiful.> Sporting the Black Cocker of Michael Pitts’ – Beckham.
LR: Beckham – Oh, okay, okay. Those are some beautiful, beautiful choices and I think – I saw this on somebody else’s social media and they said, “It tells so much about what you value as a judge, as a handler, or what have you, what you say in that Best In Show lineup. I just think there’s a wonderful, wonderful thing. Plus it makes us think about cool old dogs.
LR: Well Bergit thank you so much for your time. It was wonderful to see you at the dog show a few weeks ago. I am thrilled to see you back and I wish you the very, very best in your judging career. You will be outstanding.
BCK: Thank you so much. I appreciate that, Ok?
LR: All right, thank you Bergit.
BCK: Thank you. Take care ok. Bye bye.
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