Posts by Laura Reeves
383 — Barbet: French Water Dog, NOT a Doodle
Barbet: French Water Dog, NOT a Doodle
Judy Descutner joins host Laura Reeves for a conversation about Barbet, the newest member of the AKC sporting group, in our continuing series for rare breed month on Pure Dog Talk.
“Being asked if they’re a doodle is a really good gateway to the fact that there is a purebred dog with a lineage that I can trace that is exactly what people are looking for who are buying a doodle,” Descutner said.
As a breeder, exhibitor, and long-time board member of the Barbet Club of America, Descutner has been instrumental in promoting the Barbet in the United States. Also involved with Whippets since 1985, she lives at Hickory Tavern Farm and is the delegate for the Western Pennsylvania Kennel Association.
History
“Further back, obviously, they share a lot of relations with some of the other curly coated water dogs in Europe … definitely they share a lot with like the Portuguese Water Dogs and there’s some Irish Water Spaniel … the Barbet definitely has its own outline that makes it really distinguishable from the other breeds.”
Water Party
“People think they’re a water dog that loves the swim, but they’re not. … they’re really good in the water, in fact you know they’re pretty strong to go through a marshy area and retrieve a downed bird that way. But they generally really like water that’s 1 – 1 ½ feet deep and they want to crash around in it … they’ve got to have that retrieving drive, like most of the retrieving breeds, but … they’re not a really strong driven breed. They’re certainly not like a field bred Labrador.”
Coat Maintenance
“It is a hair coat that always is growing and does need to be trimmed. So people with allergies, most of them do quite well with the breed, but of course you know there’s no such thing as hypoallergenic and some people are still gonna have problems with them. The coat itself can range from a wavy coat to a very tight curl … each coat probably has its own challenges to live with but no matter what it’s a high maintenance coat. Keeping it combed through to the skin and all the dead hair pulled out is a constant job. I think this is one of the things that’s super important for pet owners to understand … this is not a breed that gets to be just ignored. You have to trim, it you have to comb it out all the way to the skin.”
382 – Skye Terriers: Hardy, Devoted Breed of the Scottish Isles
Skye Terriers: Hardy, Devoted Breed of the Scottish Isles
Our panel of Skye Terrier breeders represents nearly 150 years combined experience in the breed. Michael Pesare, Elaine Hersey and Karen Turnbull join host Laura Reeves to share their love of this hardy, devoted breed of the Scottish Isles.
Depicted in art through centuries and with history dating back to the 1500s, the Skye is an old breed.
“The Skye definitely shares his heritage with a number of other terrier breeds from the Western Isles,” Pesare said, “the West coast of Scotland, where it can be quite rugged, damp, cold, rocky … breeds like the Cairn, the Scottie, the Westie… they were kept by the land owners to rid the farms of vermin. But not just small vermin, we’re talking Otter, Badger, foxes all the vermin that would do damage to the crops… there are references to long legged terriers and short crooked legged terriers going back to the 1500s, and so our Skyes definitely have a very long history.”
An achondroplastic breed, the long, low Skye is heavy bodied and heavy boned.
“This is actually a very, very healthy breed,” Turnbull said. “I think because they’ve been rare that’s worked in their favor and there are very hardy breed, a sturdy breed … one question that we get frequently because they are a long and low breed I think people instantly think back problems. Our breed is not prone to back problems. The first thing I do when people say that is I invite him to feel the back and feel the legs. They’re always surprised because they have so much bone and there’s such a sturdy dog … people are always surprised at how much dog is underneath that coat.”
Made famous for their loyalty by the story of Grayfriars Bobby, the Skye is deeply devoted to its family.
“It’s a breed that wants to be with its person,” Hersey said. “They are very, very sensitive. They are very intuitive. They love their people. They’re not a breed that you can put out in the backyard and forget about. They need to have, I think, early socialization. They need to have continued socialization as a puppy if you want to have the best Sky you can. So they need somebody that’s committed to doing the work and then they’re going to have a wonderful, wonderful dog.”
For more information about the Skye Terrier, visit the Skye Terrier Club of America.
381 – Rare Breeds: Preservation, Promotion and Purposeful Breeding
Rare Breeds: Preservation, Promotion and Purposeful Breeding
Let’s kick off a month of Pure Dog Talk conversations, insights and ideas about rare breeds, preservation, promotion and purposeful breeding of these delightful dogs.
Today’s conversation is with Jennie Chen, breeder of Lowchen and Greater Swiss Mountain Dogs, Anna Wallace, breeder of Entlebuchers and Ian Lynch, Dandie Dinmont Terrier owner.
How to acquire a rare breed dog
Just acquiring a dog in a rare breed is one of the most difficult challenges, our panelists agreed.
“I mean we’re absolutely protective of the dogs,” Wallace said. “So we have that aspect of ‘well we can’t keep them all we do have to place some of these puppies’ but we want to make sure they go into the right homes … can they benefit the breed in the long run… pets are very important because (they) become the ambassador the public sees … but we also don’t want to lose too much of our breeding pool in our gene pool to dogs that are going to ultimately end up neutered … so there’s a balance there and I know that’s one of the reasons it’s hard to break into (a rare breed). I actually broke in with a male ’cause it’s always easier to get a boy.”
Public education
Reaching the general public with information about our lesser known breeds is critical, especially younger people.
“I think a lot of times of millennials are kind of going back to our roots in a lot of ways,” Lynch said. “Like the farm to table eating, what’s old is new, what used to be called hand me downs is now called vintage clothing. I think a lot of people are really interested in history and I really liked the idea of being able to help a breed that needed a hand. I mean they say this in a lot of ways, that you could go to a shelter and you can save one dog or you can buy a rare breed, an endangered species. and save a whole breed of dog, the whole history of this dog can be saved.”
Social media
Social media, particularly Instagram, including Facebook and Twitter, are great resources for reaching potential new owners. Our panelists agreed that young folks buy from social media and we need to reach potential owners where they are.
“I actually started in social media a little bit by accident,” Chen said. “’cause when I got my first greater Swiss mountain dog, I studied psychology and I’m all into early neurological stimulation early neurological training critical periods, I started *Keep Austin Dog Friendly… it is a list of restaurants in Austin TX where you could take your dog … I would go take my dogs out and I still do that today for socialization, for training and all that sort of stuff, and that website got really, really big … my dog became the face of *Keep Austin dog friendly… the website is still up … I even turned one of our website events into (my dog’s) birthday party … I use Instagram now quite a bit. A lot of my homes… create an Instagram specifically for the dog. I don’t have to get photos via email, they’re available all the time on my phone.”
Listen to the podcast for more insights, ideas and guidance from our outstanding panelists.
380 – Progesterone Timing for Pregnancy Success
Veterinary Voice: Progesterone Timing for Pregnancy Success
Dr. Marty Greer and host Laura Reeves talk about progesterone, that wonderful chemical inside our girl dogs’ bodies that tells us so much. Knowing progesterone levels is imperative for not only getting the bitches pregnant, but also keeping them pregnant.
“It’s really important from the beginning of the heat cycle to know when ovulation occurred,” Greer said, “because we know bitches are pregnant 63 days plus or minus 24 hours from ovulation. Normal pregnancy is not 58 to 72 days like we’ve been told for many decades prior to the time that we could do progesterone testing.”
“Get her pregnant and unpregnant by doing progesterone testing at the beginning of the breeding,” Greer said.
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Client handout regarding infertility:
Why isn’t my female pregnant? What can I do about it?
You did your homework – and have the perfect bitch, in her best condition and found the ideal male to mate her to. Both of them have passed all of the health clearances recommended for your breed. They have the temperaments you are looking for and their traits are complimentary to one another.
You know the most common causes of apparent or actual pregnancy failure are:
- Poorly timed breedings
- Poor semen quality and/or quantity.
- Failure to maintain a pregnancy
Timing the breeding:
The timing of the breeding, based on progesterone levels (bred 2 to 3 days post-ovulation depending on semen type used), was just right. Most veterinarians recommend breeding 2 days after ovulation with fresh and fresh chilled shipped semen and 3 days with frozen semen. Ovulation is assumed to occur when the progesterone reaches 5 ng/dl (different units are used in other countries) with a range of 4 to 10 ng/dl. LH testing is also done in some clinics. LH, Luteinizing hormone, directly indicates ovulation, while progesterone is an estimation of ovulation. Progesterone is easier to measure and test as it can be done every few days, using human technology. LH requires daily testing and is canine specific.
Semen quality and quantity:
You know the stud dog had good quality and quantity semen – there was a semen analysis completed prior to shipping the semen. Your vet looked at it prior to inseminating your bitch and said the semen looked great, based on the sperm count (for a Bernese Mountain dog, the count should be 1 billion total), the morphology (shape and appearance of each sperm cell) and motility (how active and progressively motile it was on a microscopic evaluation).
Yet, she is not pregnant. Why? And if you try to breed her again, what can you do differently to improve the chances she will carry a litter to term?
First, we need to determine if she failed to conceive, failed to achieve fetal/placental implantation, or conceived and lost the litter. If you don’t have her ultrasounded, you won’t know if she failed to conceive or failed to maintain the pregnancy. A relaxin test or palpation is not adequate – these do not assess for fetal viability. This information is big piece of the puzzle. When you are trying to justify the decision to do an ultrasound, this is the best reason to do so – this is not the place to scrimp.
If the ultrasound shows no pregnancy, and the semen and timing were good, then causes for failure to conceive or failure for fetuses to implant should be explored. These include:
- Was there a Semen quality assessment?
- Was the sperm count low?
- Was there abnormal semen morphology? Was the semen stained and assessed by a veterinarian?
- Was there poor semen motility? The semen needs to be progressively normal.
- Was there poor semen longevity? Holding a small sample of semen in extended in the refrigerator and reassessing it 24 and 48 hours later can be useful.
- Was there timing failure? This is a good time to review the timing of the breeding.
- Did she complete her ovulation?
- Failure to complete the ovulation. Did the progesterone testing continue past 5 ng/dl? If not, she may have not had a complete ovulatory cycle.
- Cystic ovaries? An ovarian cyst can interfere with a complete ovulatory cycle.
- Split cycle? If she failed to complete her ovulation, she may have split her cycle and will come back into heat in the next 4 to 6 weeks.
- Failure of adequate semen deposition: Fertile sperm must reach a fertile egg.
- If this was a natural breeding, was there a tie? Was the breeding witnessed? Was there a normal length tie?
- If this was a vaginal AI, was the AI performed correctly with no spermicidal exposure. Some lubricants and reusable equipment can have spermicidal properties. Using all disposable supplies is recommended.
- Does the bitch have a defect in her reproductive tract? Structural abnormalities causing failure of semen passage from the vagina to the oviducts including male and female anatomical abnormalities.
- Do either the male or female have Brucellosis? Canine brucellosis is a bacterial disease that can be spread venerally and can cause sterility in the male or female as well as pregnancy failure and early neonatal death.
- Was the bitch exposed to Canine Herpesvirus? – This is a viral disease that can cause early or late fetal death as well as neonatal death. In the adult, Canine Herpervirus causes mild respiratory disease. During early pregnancy, the fetuses can die at any stage, causing apparent failure to conceive if it is contracted during early pregnancy.
- Does the bitch have a bacterial infection in the vagina or uterus? A low-grade metritis, not rising to the level of a pyometra can interfere with conception. The difficulty here is that even in 2017, we cannot identify what normal bacterial flora in the reproductive tract is.
- Did she have another bacterial or viral disease that are not yet well characterized?
- Does she have a systemic illness? Any disorder that causes a fever can interrupt a pregnancy. Did she have a complete blood panel test, checking for signs of infection or organ disease? Consider testing for Lyme disease, Anaplasmosis, and Ehrlichia before you breed.
- Failure of the ovary to maintain progesterone high enough to support pregnancy (hypoluteoidism) Rarely, a bitch will have the inability to keep her progesterone level high enough to maintain pregnancy. This can occur as early as day 14 of the pregnancy. Testing her progesterone level at her pregnancy ultrasound can be an important tool.
- Does the bitch have abnormalities in her uterine lining? Cystic endometrial hyperplasia and fibrosis of the uterus can prevent normal placental development.
- Is there genetic incompatibility? If there are fatal genes, conception with pregnancy failure can occur. Line breeding dogs with too little genetic diversity can lead to small or no litters.
- Was there inadequate maternal nutrition?
- Raw meat diets can contribute to an imbalanced nutritional plane. Micronutrients and macronutrients must be adequate to maintain pregnancy. Bitches require carbohydrates to maintain pregnancy as well as to lactate.
- Does she have parasites? Parasite migration can lead to placental failure. The stress of pregnancy can lead to latent parasites starting to migrate again. Using Fenbendazole from day 40 of pregnancy to day 14 of lactation can protect the fetuses from this condition.
- Was the bitch subjected to trauma? Blunt trauma can cause the placentas to fail.
- Was the bitch subjected to undue stress?
- Did the bitch receive anesthesia, or inappropriate drug or hormones? Many of these drugs can be toxic to developing fetuses. All drugs should be avoided during pregnancy unless required to save the bitch’s life.
- Is the bitch Hypothyroid? Low thyroid levels can contribute to pregnancy failure or failure to conceive. This is a rare cause of pregnancy failure but should be considered if the levels are profoundly low.
If no underlying cause for failure to conceive is found, surgical breeding may be considered to improve the chances of success at the next breeding. Some bitches will conceive pups when surgical breedings are used to deliver the semen directly into the uterine body.
If the ultrasound shows a pregnancy was achieved but not maintained, this can result in fetal resorption (prior to day 45 of pregnancy) or fetal death and/or abortion (fetal loss after day 45 of pregnancy). This rules out poor timing, poor semen quality, or failure of semen to pass to the oviducts as causes for infertility.
Causes of failure to maintain a pregnancy include (see descriptions above):
- Brucellosis?
- Herpesvirus?
- Bacterial infections in the uterus. Cultures should be taken and antibiotics used if bacterial disease is suspected.
- Other bacterial and viral diseases that are not yet well characterized.
- Failure of the ovary to maintain progesterone high enough to support pregnancy (hypoluteoidism). Serial progesterone levels should be run if hypoluteoidism is suspected.
- Uterine lining changes that interfere with maintained placental attachment.
- Inadequate maternal nutrition.
- Trauma, stress, anesthesia or drug and hormonal interference.
A complete history should be taken. Diagnostics should include testing for brucellosis and Canine Herpesvirus. Cornell’s Veterinary Diagnostic lab has a blood profile called the “Canine Abortion Panel. Your veterinary clinic can submit tests for this. It is best done with paired samples, drawn 3 weeks apart and submitted together.
The pregnancy can be monitored for viable fetuses with repeated ultrasounds. WhelpwiseTM can be used to manage high risk pregnancies. Antibiotics, progesterone and terbutaline may be indicated if uterine irritability is shown to be putting the pups at risk. These drugs help quiet the uterus and can keep the pups safely in the uterus until they reach full term.
If no underlying cause for pregnancy failure or loss is found, uterine biopsy and cultures at about 60 days post-ovulation can be useful tools in determining if there is a treatable underlying cause and to help with determining a prognosis for future fertility. Treatment for causes suspected or found should be initiated prior to attempting the next breeding.
Fertility is never guaranteed. Your veterinarian can perform testing to assure you have the best possible opportunity to produce a litter.
379 – How To’s for Dog People to Survive Lockdown
How To’s for Dog People to Survive Lockdown
Host Laura Reeves teams up with Dog Show Mentor’s Lee Whittier to talk about the financial, emotional and dog training tools that will help our Tribe survive and even thrive in the current global crisis.
“Dog people are tough,” Reeves said. “We are, generally speaking, I think, tougher than the average bear. And we are creative and we are smart and we will be OK. I think that is so important to get to that place.
“I saw something recently that this is like a grieving process, like what place in the grieving process are you … there’s anger and there’s sorrow and there’s frustrated, that whole process. I thought that’s actually really accurate in terms of how people are approaching this.
“A lot of the people that I talk to, they’re still at anger … anger is not a useful emotion. It’s an understandable one, but it doesn’t solve anything. The sooner we can get past that and focused on, ‘yes we’re sad but what are we going to do to be proactive,’ I think is going to be very, very important for a lot of people.
“There’s a lot of pride in our community. It goes with that toughness, that independence of spirit. People are proud and they’re not gonna ask for help, even maybe if they need it.
“So if you see your handler offering a training class or a grooming clinic or anything like that, or even if it’s not someone you use as a handler, maybe it’s just someone you know in the dog show and it’s close to you and you’re able to, please, if you’re able, support those people. They’re trying to earn their money.
“There are not go fund me accounts out here for these folks. These people have pride in the work that they do … they want to be paid to do good work. Whether that work is teaching, brushing your drop coated dog, maintaining your terrier in trim, whatever it is, they want to earn the money that they’re given. They really don’t like the thought of having to ask for help.”
“For people who do handling classes,” Whittier said. “People can set up their phone and share it and for the usual $10 … get help from their handling class instructor on what to do and maybe even get more than they might get in a regular class. So if you get eight minutes from your handling instructor from a video that you took, or maybe you’re live on FaceTime, say ‘OK I’m going to pay you on PayPal and then give him an extra if used to paying $10 for your handling class, give them an extra $5.”
Meanwhile, Pure Dog Talk is hosting a virtual dog show, Cyber Sweepstakes on our Facebook page, which closes Wednesday, 4/1 at noon.
“I said ‘OK, how do we help people in the community,’” Reeves said. “People are going to need help. This is just a bad space right now and people equally have a competitive urge and they have dogs in their home and they have lots of free time. So all of that ruminated in a stew in my brain and it turned into the cyber sweepstakes.
“You pay $5 on Eventbrite to enter your dog in one of 10 threads on the event on the Facebook page. It’s a one-minute video you do just like what a judge would see. The idea is pay your handler to get your dog bath trimmed videoed for one minute of headshot, teeth, profile, rear view, down and back and around. Pay your handler, pay your groomer to get your dog ready. So, this is part of money into the sport.
“Then, it’s a sweepstakes… we understand how sweepstakes works. Winners get money and more money into the community. I had thought of it as just a fundraiser and about that time Trupanion, who has been a huge supporter and sponsor of Pure Dog Talk, piped up and said ‘hey this is a really, really cool idea. We want to support it and we will match entries up to $10,000.’
“Hello! We get 1500 entries, they match that money, there’s $10,000 in a fund for our community to be developed for our people to be given to people in need. There is also $10,000 to be divvied up to the winners 1st through 4th in each of the groups plus miscellaneous. There’s money to junior showmanship. There is money to obedience … there’s lots of opportunities for lots of people. We’re not turning anybody down… If you want to support the effort and don’t have a dog to show, make an entry and your dog’s absent. The more people that participate, the more is available to go out into the community both in this fund and to the people who actually win the sweepstakes.”
Finally, it’s important to remember, Reeves noted:
“There are people who are escaping to dog shows, to work, to school… and this is a very, very scary time for those people. I think that we need to be aware, be thoughtful, be supportive, be helpful… do what we can do to support people who are in situations that are not good because this will exacerbate those. … if I’m going to be worried or scared about something, that’s the type of thing that scares me, that worries me.
“So think of your friends. Think of what you can do to help them. We need to remember people that need our help and our support. I just think that there’s a lot out there and a lot of it is hard stuff … it’s important to be positive and find positive, but it is also important, equally important, to have compassion and empathy and caring … those are really, really, really important things to bring into anything that is this terrifying.”
378 – Telemedicine for Pets Fills Need During Pandemic
Telemedicine for Pets Fills Need During Pandemic
Dr. Melissa Webster is a veterinarian at Tampa veterinary hospital and Highland pet hospital in Tampa FL. Webster shares invaluable information about telemedicine for our pets in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic.
Shelter in place orders across the country have pet owners worried about their animals’ health and veterinarians worried about their practices. Telemedicine offers the opportunity to get help with our pets and a potential source of income for veterinarians trying to stay afloat during this crisis.
Webster works with an ap called Airvet. Pet owners pay $30 and are connected to a licensed veterinarian who can help them assess their dog’s situation.
“I can’t diagnose, treat or prescribe for your pet directly (if the dog isn’t a current patient of my brick and mortar clinic),” Webster said. “I can say ‘hey, there’s green gunk in your dog’s eye’… I can ask you historical questions, when did it occur and is she bothered by it, and we can look at it and look at her eye and decide is it something where you need to go to the vet right now, a sort of triage situation, or is it something that can be looked at tomorrow and kind of see how we can fit this into your life and help your dog.”
In some situations, like Webster’s specialty reproduction practice, telemedicine offers peace of mind for her clients that she can actually see the puppies, the dam, offer insights or suggestions without any risk of exposure for herself, her staff or her clients.
While this isn’t a solution to every situation, obviously surgery and physical intervention in a medical situation will require in person clinical visits, it is an invaluable tool in today’s upside down world.
“I think it’s a huge resource,” Webster said “and a way for us to support all the pet owners right away that’s financially a lot more attainable for the pet owners … I’m really excited to see more veterinarians coming on board that were kind of thinking ‘yeah I might do this in the future’ well here we are now … the neat things about the service that I’m a part of is that if your veterinarian isn’t available you will get a veterinarian.”
Learn more about Airvet here. Read the AVMA position statement on telemedicine here.
377 – New Dog Breeders Offer Hope for the Future
New Dog Breeders Offer Hope for the Future
Purebred dogs need more, new, young breeders. This is the consensus opinion of our top experts in the field. Preserving our breeds and encouraging more participation in our sports requires the energy and enthusiasm of youth.
So, I reached out to the Pure Dog Talk listener community to find some of these folks. This was my conversation with Sam and Curtis Brown about the breeding program they are developing in Bull Terriers (bonus, a teaser for our “rare breeds month” in April!).
This was an outstanding conversation that gave me hope for the future. Enjoy the podcast! A couple of excerpts are below.
Continue striving for better
Curtis: “I’m the one with the puppies all day and I’m the one doing multiple C-sections by myself, which I never would have seen myself doing, and delivering puppies. So, it’s difficult in that aspect. But when it comes right down to why we continue to breed, for me there are two reasons.
“The joy on the faces of the families when we get to send companion puppies home with them has always been a remarkable thing. Companion puppies that people just love forever. Our Delicious bull terrier family of everybody to who we sent puppies follows us on Facebook and continuously posts pictures of their dogs as they grow and we get to kind of see them grow.
“You’re like ‘well maybe we should have kept that one in hindsight,’ maybe next time we’ll think of it differently before we put it in a pet home. But as we go on and as we continue to breed obviously we want to continue to breed better dogs … even if we have an amazing dog or an amazing bitch like the one who we just had win the grand futurity at our Silverwood show this past year … we still want to continue to strive to breed better dogs, not only for our breed but for the betterment of our breed. … preservation breeding, continuing to do things and enhance the breed the best that we can, not just in type but the temperaments and everything.
“So that’s why I think when we continue to breed. Not just take … that one dog and then just run it until you win Westminster … or whatever the case may be. We have to continue to create the next best thing. … we go to the Silverwood specialty show and a lot of people are showing dogs that we’ve seen in the ring many, many years over and we’re the ones there with all of these young puppies …”
Family affair
Sam: “It’s an incredible journey … you’re going to make some concessions in your personal life. Mostly sleep … but you’re also going to go all over the world you’re going to meet incredible people … we have friends that are closer than our extended family in dogs. … when you’re breeding you know you’re really doing something that’s very special. It’s not only special to you, but it’s special for those families that are going to be getting dogs from you …
“…it’s great for kids … we do everything as a family. We go to the shows as a family. We raise the puppies as a family. We do the chores as a family. It is something that a family can do, that’s not in an agricultural area. You can raise a litter of puppies in the suburbs, it’s not a big deal … it’s something that you can sort of instill some of those 4H type lessons into your kids. We always advocate for responsible breeding … but I think it’s a positive thing and it’s definitely a family thing, at least for us, that everybody can be involved in. My kids, they’ve bottle-fed puppies and they clean up after dogs. I think that’s really important stuff when it comes to our sport. I heard Pat Trotter say at one point ‘You know it’s great to run around to get ribbons but someone’s gotta be doing the cleaning up and the breeding’ and that’s kind of where we’re at with it.”
375 – Dog Breeding: We’re ALL in this Together
Dog Breeding: We’re ALL in this Together
Patti Strand, the founder of the National Animal Interest Alliance, joins host Laura Reeves to talk about all dog breeders working together, raising the bar for the health and well-being of all dogs.
Strand provides an outstanding historical perspective on the question of dog breeding throughout the 20th century, commercial breeding operations to meet community demand for companion dogs, the programs put in place to monitor breeders and the confusion of outdated information.
“…there is a passion among commercial breeders today to do a better job and to learn how to do a better job,” Strand said. “One of our (NAIA) board members, Marty Greer, is a veterinarian. She gives a lot of seminars, a lot of health seminars … veterinary care-type seminars in the commercial dog breeding world. And she says she never had a more attentive audience. These people are taking notes and they’re asking questions. They’re excited about breeding. They’re excited about husbandry. So just a ton of really positive changes have taken place.”
Strand, a Dalmatian breeder for decades, added, “I’m a hobby breeder. I love what I do. I try to do it well. But what I’m really working toward is trying to support people who try to conduct themselves in the best way possible with the information and education and materials that we have.”
As president of NAIA, Strand works on legislation that impacts all breeders. Including researching actual numbers of dogs in animal shelters around the US.
“I had this experience last year in working on some legislation,” Strand commented. “I had a situation where a woman who owned a pet store asked me to help her and she told me that she was doing everything right.
“(I told her) ‘if you can demonstrate to me what you’re doing and you have a solid operation I will try to help you.’ So next morning I get up and I have like 150 documents from this woman. Every single puppy she bought from somebody whose USDA inspection reports were excellent. And not only that, every single puppy she bought had parents who were health tested for the very things that the hobby dog breeder world requires when you go to our AKC parent websites. The Breeders that were working with this particular distributor were all going to the AKC and the parent club websites and finding out what the requirements were for their breed and then duplicating it. So believe me, even 5 years ago you would not have seen that,” Strand observed.
“I think the reality is that we would all want pet stores or breeders, whether they’re hobby or commercial, who are doing things badly and where animals are being harmed not to be able to operate. I mean it’s just that simple. So with us at NAIA, we’re just all about conduct rather than categorizing people by putting a particular marketing label on people and then saying this label is no good and that label is good.”
374 – To Deduct or Not to Deduct: Tax Time for Dog People
To Deduct or Not to Deduct: Tax Time for Dog People
Karen Bodeving, CPA joins host Laura Reeves for an important discussion about dogs, the IRS and your taxes. for hobby breeders, professional handlers, dog clubs and many of us involved in purebred dogs.
Dogs and Taxes… Who is affected
Karen Bodeving CPA, CGMA, Rogue Valley Financial
- Hobby Breeders vs Breeding as a business
- If you sell a puppy (or a litter) or take a stud fee, you still need to report it.
Hobby Breeders HAVE to show the income, but they cannot take the expenses.
If it is a Hobby: You MUST claim the Income on your tax return. – This MUST be reported in your gross income. Sell one puppy for $100 (or more)? Must be shown on your tax return!
Hobby: Can you take deductions?
The TCJA (tax cuts and jobs act) suspended miscellaneous itemized deductions until 2026, removing the ability to deduct hobby activity expenses, other than cost of goods sold.
Before 2018 -If a taxpayer’s activity is considered a hobby, he or she may deduct its expenses only up to the amount of the hobby income; therefore, a loss from a hobby cannot be deducted against other income. In addition, hobby expenses must be taken as miscellaneous itemized deductions; as such, they will be subject to the “two percent of adjusted gross income” floor, which will limit the amount of the deduction further.
This means even though you might have had $15,000 in expenses of showing etc it was not is NOT a direct offset.
After Jan 1, 2018 you can’t even take that… but you can take Cost of Goods sold – so direct expense of a litter such as stud fees, or a c-section fee would help offset the income, up to the amount of the income – (so no loss)
The good news is although you have to report the gross income, it’s not subject to Self Employment tax.
- Breeding as a Business means you TREAT it as a business. The IRS really wants to disallow your expenses under section 183 of the Internal Revenue code . But they have set some tests up to see if you are a hobby or a business.
The first test is an “OBJECTIVE” Test.
First, if a taxpayer can show that he or she realized a profit from the activity in three out of the most recent five consecutive years including the current year, the service’s objective test will be met and the activity will be considered as engaged in for profit. If the activities consist primarily of breeding, training, showing or racing horses, the presumption applies only if the activity produced a profit in 2 of the last 7 tax years, including the current year. You have a profit when the gross income from an activity is more than the deductions for it.
If your dog breeding activity passes this 3 year years-of-profit test, then it is presumed that it is carried on for profit. This means it will not come under the scrutiny and limits imposed on hobby losses. You can deduct all of your business deductions from the activity, even for the years that you have a loss. You can rely on this presumption; unless and until the IRS shows it is not valid.
The second test is the “SUBJECTIVE” test.
Do you operate your business in a business-like manner? Do you have a budget? Do you have applicable permits? Do you have a business plan? Do you have separate books and checking accounts? Can your business appreciate in value? Does it look like you gain personal pleasure from the activity (a business usually requires Work, a Hobby usually entails “Fun”).
The Tax Court has held that a couple was not entitled to deduct their net losses from a dog-breeding activity, finding that the activity was not engaged in for profit.
The most persuasive reason for concluding that the activity is a hobby is the enterprise’s bookkeeping system. The court noted that the books were posted annually, and since the couple in questions expenses could not be monitored monthly, or even quarterly, informed business decisions could not be made.
You have to seek expert advice and DOCUMENT it. There is a case of a veterinarian who lost a farm deduction (in part) because he did not do his market research and look to others for help. We, as breeders need to show not only the business acumen, but also that we looked to others for help with our dogs (e-mail group, professional handlers, vets, etc.)
Advertising is important. Are you really marketing your animals (i.e. really trying to sell them)?
PART-TIME DOG BREEDING NOT A HOBBY EVEN THOUGH IT DID NOT TURN A PROFIT.
In addition to their full time jobs, Mr. and Mrs. L bred and sold Shetland sheepdogs from 1982 to 1985. Because they limited the breeding activities to five adult dogs, the couple was not required to obtain a kennel license under state law. The Ls had no training or experience in breeding or caring for dogs, but they took the time to educate themselves. They were interested in building up a renowned kennel. They built a kennel adjacent to their house. They advertised the puppies in newspapers and magazines. They did not maintain a separate checking account for the dog-breeding activities; however, they had business cards and stationery printed up, used pre-printed invoices, kept a ledger to record expenses and kept copies of invoices for puppies they sold. The Ls provided the dogs with intensive care and were careful to place their dogs in good homes. After four years of operations, the Ls stopped selling dogs because they became convinced that they could not make a profit.
For 1984 and 1985, the Ls reported losses from their kennel activities. The Service disallowed the losses, contending that the Ls lacked a profit objective and pointing to the fact that they had reported successive losses.
Special Trial Judge Pate has held that the Ls are entitled to deduct the losses, finding that the Ls ran their kennel in a manner befitting a small business, the fact that the Ls enjoyed their business did not make it a hobby.
Inventory and Breeding Stock The IRS looks to see that you are depreciating your purchased breeding stock, as well as holding dogs in inventory for resale at the end of the year.
DOG BREEDING HELD NOT FOR PROFIT WHERE NO EVIDENCE OFFERED ON VALUE OF INVENTORY
Dr & Mrs C bred, sold and showed Pomeranian dogs. Mrs C tends to the care of the dogs generally, while the good doctor contributes about two hours per day. The doctor has been selected to judge Pomeranians at shows and has attended a course on the care and management of small animals. The Cs did not obtain a permit and kennel license as required by the county in which they live. The Cs reported aggregate losses totaling more than $30,000 in the years 1984 through 1986.
Tax Court Judge Ruwe held that the Pomeranian breeding operation was not engaged in for profit. Judge Ruwe found that although the Cs spend a considerable amount of time on the dogs, that factor was outweighed by other factors. The Court observed that the taxpayers had failed to keep businesslike records, introduced no evidence of specific plans or goals, and introduced no inventory records showing the value of each dog.
Judge Ruwe also noted the Cs accumulated expertise related only to breeding and grooming and not to the business aspects of the activity. Judge Ruwe observed that a small profit in a later year was only the result of the C’s failure to deduct several of the associated expenses that they had deducted in previous years.
After looking at these court cases, the questions becomes…are your dogs a business or a Hobby?
If it is a business – What kind of expenses is then deductible? Cost of the litter, stud fees, Kennel Fencing can be depreciated, Dog Food, Travel and 50% of your meals, in other words all ordinary and necessary expenses incurred in your business.
If the taxpayer’s activity is considered a business, the deduction of expenses and the claiming of losses are subject to the normal business expense and business loss rules. If you are engaged in the business with your spouse, unless you are in a Community Property State a partnership tax return should be filed and partnership limitations can be imposed. (and you must never, never, never, ever refer to it as a HOBBY.
- You should have a business plan on how you plan to make money.
- You should have separate checking accounts in which you put all your income from the dogs and dog expenses. Dealing in Cash is not a good thing – you need to have a paper-trail. Most real business pay with checking/debit/credit cards The cash business are being watched closely by the banks and being reported.
- You need to be doing 1099’s to your veterinarian regardless if they are incorporated or not – if you payed by check or with cash.
- Per IRS Letter ruling Per Letter Ruling 201349013 They fall under the Health and medical services –
- but non business i.e. hobby owners do not need to do this.
- You also need to 1099 your handlers, groomers and anyone else you pay more than $600 to in a year. – INTENTIONAL Disregard is $550 per instance with no limitation.
- You need to have current proper permits through your city/county/state. That may mean you may need to have Kennel inspections including by the USDA.
- You will need to track your mileage – Use an app like Mile IQ –or keep a mileage log in your van. Keep your ribbons – I went through a dog /business audit where we had ribbons to prove where we were …and could google map the distances to prove mileage. Mileage includes going to the vet, going to the bank – anything that is Business related.
- Meals – There are new rules regarding meals and entertainment – make sure you log any business purposes – if you are with a potential puppy buyer or if you are out at a show.
- You will need to keep a copy (or photo) of all your receipts. Dog food, postage, etc….
- The years that you do make a profit, if your business is not incorporated, you will be subject to tax and self employment tax.
- Ignoring ANY puppy income WILL get you in trouble, so please consult with a professional and report it correctly – the money you spend on doing it right it will save you in the long run.
- Handlers (and Judges)
- I’m going to through these in together because of the travel.
- IF someone else (your client or club) pays for your travel, or directly reimburses you after you pay for it and you turn in your receipts, then they do not need to have that on your 1099. BUT remember, if they are a hobby, they can’t deduct it and as a Handler is a business, you can. Be nice to your clients.
- Business meals with clients or on a business trip is still 50% deductible,
- I’m going to through these in together because of the travel.
- Meals with your friends or taking your spouse is nondeductible.
- Obviously, mileage is a huge deduction – make sure you document it using either an app or a log.
- Keep your receipts. It’s tough in a van full of dogs to hang on to all your receipts – use an app such as receiptbank or quickbooks where you can snap a photo of the receipt an upload it to your books.
- If a handler is working for just one client long term, you are an employee – make sure you are getting payroll taxes withheld.
- And speaking of employees, make sure you put your helpers on payroll or 1099 them if they qualify. Remember if one of your helpers gets bit, they may file a workers comp claim, so you need to have it in place.
- Keep track of who owes you money – and don’t let it lag to far. It’s tough working a large show, but get your bills out immediately and stay on your collections before the next show comes up. If you can use Xero or Quickbooks online, you can bill from your cell phone and use an app like T-sheets to keep your time going so you aren’t missing any billings.
- And HANDLERS – Set up a retirement plan and exit strategy – start small, but put something back as your body will break down and you need to have a way out.
- Clubs
- Make sure your treasurer gives the board a bank reconciliation each month and copy of the bank statement and that a non-signing board member has reviewed.
- Make sure you have a way to close the account if the treasurer leaves. That may be by having a signature card already signed off.
- Know what kind of club you are – If you are a 501 c 7 (club) you can’t let folks deduct donations.
- Get those 1099’s out to your judges and any other folks you hire. Remember the veterinarian rule we spoke about – If you hold an eye or other health clinic you may be missing this.
- Make sure that if you are putting on dog shows you are reporting them correctly for the type of non-profit you are- There was a tax court case lately where a dog show was deemed a profit making venture and not with the objectives of the club. Seek professional help to make sure the reporting is done and done correctly.
We do tax returns for people all over the US – our information is dogsandtaxes.com and we offer a ½ hr get to know you appointment either in person, over the phone or via teleconference.
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Karen Bodeving, CPA, CGMA (Certified Public Accountant and Charter Global Management Accountant). The business, Rogue Valley Financial Services, which provides Tax, Bookkeeping, and other Financial services for clients throughout the country.
Karen has been involved in purebred dogs since 1996 – at which time she and her Husband Paul and their two young daughters established Shadow Mtn Saint Bernards. Karen and her husband Paul are both AKC judges and All-breed Jr. Judges. (Karen has judged the National as well as two World Union of Saint Bernard). She has served on many Club boards, including 2 time President of the local all breed club and Two time President of the Saint Bernard Club of America, and Paul is an AKC delegate.
After aging out in Jrs and leaving the nest, both the daughters continued into purebred dogs into adult hood, the youngest having worked for a handler, the oldest changed breeds (hunting/showing Coonhounds), but continues on with Saints also. They also both continued into the accounting field, and the oldest (Dani) has joined Karen at Rogue Valley Financial.
The family background in all aspects of purebred dogs gives Karen and Dani a unique perspective for tax and financial purposes. Rogue Valley Financial does a variety of services for the dog fancy, as outlined in this blog.
373 – Protecting Ourselves and Our Dogs from Legal Jeopardy
Protecting Ourselves and Our Dogs from Legal Jeopardy
In light of an increasing number of aggressive and questionable prosecutions of purebred dog hobbyists in local jurisdictions, Dale Martenson and host Laura Reeves discuss prevention and preparedness.
We maybe own the dogs, but the responsibility owns us back – Dale Martenson
“We are our brothers keepers in this,” Martenson said, “because every time we hear one of the salacious stories about somebody who is famous or a very successful longtime person ending up in trouble, that is when we as a community as a whole have failed because we need to be there in a little bit of a way, lifting each other up and kind of helping, maybe sometimes even saying something a little bit truthful…
Constructive Criticism is Good
“Embracing the inspections and licensing with open eyes and receiving criticism, constructive and otherwise, is a big plus when you are putting together your facility to keep the dogs. You really need to have a facility that fits your breed and your climate. Like my little 24 inch X pens for Japanese Chin probably would not work so well with your German wirehaired pointers…
“You really need to know what you need to keep your dogs, how you need to maintain them, how you need to keep them healthy and happy. Then also take that extra step. I enjoy signs and plants and stuff, so my kennel (has) a garden … I spend a lot of time in there.
An Ounce of Prevention
“If you’re hiring help that you’re not aware of, that you don’t know, this is not someone that you know intimately … then perhaps you should take an extra moment and do a little bit of background check on them… some places actually have non-disclosure agreements and “accepting of liability statements” so if someone takes a picture of a dog that they’re supposed to be caring for in your facility and then shares this in some sort of inhumane way that they are legally responsible for that as an employee.”
“I guess that the whole thing is to try not to break the rules … Just because we have ribbons from the dog show, does not exempt us from the rules. The rules are the rules and they don’t care that your dog won the group in the Garden. If you have 35 dogs and you’re only allowed to have five where you live (for example) you’re putting your dogs at jeopardy.”